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Below is a series of emails back and forth between
Ray Smith (Ralph Raymond "Ray" Smith) and
Don Smith, webmaster of the Smith and Self
Genealogies website.
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Don We are moving back to the USA this year. We sold our house before the housing crisis hit Britain and transfered it all into US $ before the $ became stronger. Hope you are well this Christmas season. Plerase give my regards to Sally. I could use her e-mail address. Ray Don: I have been laid up for several months having had to have my right qauadrecp muscle reattached. Long story but I am walking again. Did I thank you for the copy of "Tin Can Sailor"? Just in case it arrived and I thank you for it. Aunt Sally's e-mail does not work. Is everything alright? I am beginning to work on Luke Pryor/Prior. I have found him buying land in South Carolina and in jury duty in South Carolina. I believe he served as a Quartermaster in the War of 1812 in Virginia. The same Luke Pryor/Prior was listed in Maarion's Brigade as a Captain in the St. David's Parish Militia Volunteer Corps. The same area as the land purchases. See Waxhaws. Did you receive the infromation I sent to you regarding the land purchases? Ray Don Thanks for the infomation. Elba was our ancestor's brother. He was editor of the Methodist newspaper mentioned in the Charles Wesley Lathrop Genealogy. Allen Smith Lathrop was from our line. I have traced Charles Wesley's wife, Clarissa(C)hilds Smith, line back to Lt. Samuel Smith and have the Child's genealogy back to 1130 in England. I managed to find our connection to the Child's genealogy but need to write it out for everyone to understand the connections. I will dig out Leslie Potter'e e-mail address for you. She is a lawyer who has extensive knowledge of the Battle of Saratoga and anyone who lived in that area she would like to know about it. Happy to hear sally is okay. Ray Hi Don: Jack Vanders is the one that gave me the Lathrop line back to Charlemagne. I filled him in on what I knew of our line. Azariah Lothrop was a POW during the Revolution. Somewhere I have the name of the prison ship. He was part of the exodus from New York to Connecticut when the British took New York. The Lo-Lathrorp Genealogy by Huntington ( I have an original copy from 1884) says he was buried in "Chittenango Ripps". I looked everywhere had finally came up with Bridgeport, New York. There is a place there where the water drops around ten feet called "Chittenango Rifts" I took it from the History of Bridgeport. Sources for Chittenango Rifts/Bridgeport (1) The History of the Cornell University Biological Field Station Settled around 1802. Bridgeport was originally called Chittenango Rifts or Rapids (Hammond, 1872) due to the presence of a quickly flowing and large stream named Chittenango Creek. (2) Onondaga or Reminiscences of Earlier and Later Times by Joshua V. H. Clark. Syracuse: Stoddard and Babcock, 1849, page 219. His grave is probably coverd in trees or moved for a Mill. I would like to study a few maps around Bridgeport to find where the Creek drops and take a look for myself. It took forever to find Azariah Allen Lathrop's resting place in Rhode Island Cemetery. Lillian M. Taylor died from childbirth complications in Jan 1896. According to Aunt Betty she is buried in Greenwood Cemetery (Old Union Cemetery). My notes on Lillian: Lillian M. Taylor 1874-1896 Died in Wayne County, Missouri. From the obituary of Diana Maria (Lathrop) Taylor in the Buda Plain Dealer. She had a daughter who died in 1896. "To this union five children were born, two sons and three daughters, four of whom with the husband remain to mourn. The second child, a daughter passed away in 1896. The living children are Mrs. W. H. Rollins, of Higdon, Missouri, Earl and Clair Taylor, both in business in Buda, and Evah, wife of Earl Anderson, of Wyanet. The family has lived in Buda since May 1897, prior to that time living in Manlius township, Missouri and Mississippi. Among those attending the funeral ~ Mrs. W. H. Morgan and son of Michigan. From the Obituary of James William Taylor in the Buda Plain Dealer 26 Dec. 1935. Born in Mercer County, Pennslyvania on 3 Oct 1848. Moved to Durbins Corners, Ohio until he was 21~ 1848 + 21 = 1869. At 21 years of age moved to New Bedford, Illinois. Married Dec 1870 to Diana Maria Lathrop. Moved to New Bedford when 21, went to Michigan to work in a foundry, spent several years in Missouri and Mississippi farming. When he came back from the south he made his home in Buda. New Bedford ~ Employed as a farm hand No dates. (Check Censuses). There at least until 20 May, 1872 when Cora Augia Taylor was born. Was in Michigan on 25 August, 1874 when Lillian M. Taylor was born. Fairfield ~ 1880 Census Lists William Taylor, white male 32 Born Ohio, father from Pennsylvania, mother from Ohio. Diana age 28, Cora 8 born Illinois and Lillian 6 born Michigan.. Fairfield ~ 13 July 1884 when Earl Taylor was born. Fairfield ~ 10 July 1886 when Clair Wesley was born. Union township, Bollinger County, Missouri ~ 7 July, 1889 when Eva May Taylor was born. Bollinger County, Missouri ~ 12 Nov 1891 when Lillian M. Taylor was married to Thomas Napoleon London. The marriage licence was applied for elsewhere. Manlius Township, Missouri and Mississippi until May 1897. Buda, Illinois. ~ May 1897 onwards ~ per Obituary of Diana Maria 1900 Federal Census Cedar Creek township, 1 June, 1900. Thomas London, boarder, born in Missouri, father born in Kentucky and mother born in Missouri. Listed as a day labourer. White, male born July 1862. Next page Mertil London white female boarder born Sept 1893 six years old at last birthday, place of birth Missouri. Father's place of birth Missouri and mother's place of birth Michigan. Myrtle Della London: Thomas Napoleon London - (1) Lillian M. Taylor (2) Amanda Henrietta Williams Smith as you know Luke Lee Jr. also died in 1896 Joshua London - (1) Martha Burrows my line (2) Salina Emily Mayhall 12th Confederate Infantry Richard London - Nancy Kennedy John London (need to dig this out for you) Amos London More later I'm beat Ray Don: This should clarify this line of Smith's. They are specific to Elmer Smith's wife Myrtle Della London's line. That's why I thought Betty and her children would be interested. Clarissa C. Smith's line is outlined below: Charles Wesley Lathrop - Clarissa Childs Smith Noahdiah Smith - Rebecca Patten (Renselarsville NY) researching this line Chester Smith - Anna Jewett (daughter or Enoch Jewett) Moses Smith Jr. - Sarah Catlin (daughter of John Catlin) DAR record Moses Smith Sr. - Hannah Childs (daughter of Samuel Childs) DAR record Ichabod Smith - Elizabeth Cook (daughter of Arron Cook) Lt. Phillip Smith - Rebecca Foote (daughter of Nathaniel Foote) Lt. Samuel Smith - some controversy on wifes name Samuel Smith arrived in Massachusetts aboard the "Elizabeth" in 1634 from Ipswich, England. I have detailed information about this line of Smith's if you are interested; however, it is a line of Smith's specific to the Lathrop line. I have tried to run it back to see if there was a connection but I do not think there is one to our Smith's. I beleive that our line of Smith's came originally from Scotland to Ireland to Colonies. Ours is Irish related while this one is English. When I get back to the States you can bet I will be rooting through the South Carolina archives for the leads on Luke Prior/Pryor. I believe our Luke Pryor was a Quartermaster in the War of 1812 in Virginia. Please tell Aunt Betty that I have hooked up our line to the Childs Genealogy. It is done. I do need to put it into some readable format. Someday I will need to buy one of those family history programs. If you would, send me a solid copy of your address. I need to send you some money for the book and for postage to Aunt Betty as you are racking up a few dollars in my behalf. Thanks, Ray Don Somewhere I have a list of things. Probably need to organize as bit better. We are moving back to the States soon so the packing has begun. Joshua London served in the 12th Missouri Confederate Infantry during the Civil War. I was wonderinag where Martha Burrows was buried................and her death date. Or if they were divorced or not divorced? Nice job on the Web Pages. I will need to stop by the Library. I no longer have a subscription to Ancestry.com. and they do have one. I ran out of items to look up and had to look at more books for information. They have upgraded a little bit with the Missouri marriages. Aunt Sally mentioned one of our relatives in Oklahoma birth extensive knowledge of the London - Smith families. Question: Are the Marriage applications available? And if so what kind of information would they contain? It seems to me that they would have more info than the marriage licences. Ray Don: According to Ron French, Eldon French's and Juanita Smith's son, Elmer did not have a middle name. He told me that Elmer only used th "B" in his name to keep from getting other peoples mail. I did go through 1138 Elmer Smith's to finally find him. My father, Ralph, also had no middle name. If you look on Ancestry.com and go to Missouri marriages you will find the marriage certificate of Thomas N. London and Amanda Smith. I think it was 29 October 1922. I found it when I went to the library and used their computer as I don't have ancestry.com. Ray Could you send the document regarding Sarah Ann Eliza Eaves - Joshua London? Nohadiah Smith's wife was Rebecca Patten, Rensellarville, New York. Somewhere in my notes I have her obituary and her parents names. My great grandmother was Ida Cora Eaves. Her parents were Albert Eaves - Susannah Williams. I wonder if there is a connection? Ray Don: These obituaries are assumed to be from the Bureau County Republican. "Noahdiah Smith At the residence of his daughter, Mrs. Calista Taylor, Noadhdiah Smith died January 10, 1883, aged 85 years. He was born December 14, 1797 in Deerfield, Mass. His mother was a widow with nine children. He was the eldest and 13 years old. There were 4 boys and 5 girls. At 25 he moved to New York and married Rebecca Patten, but returned to Deerfield, Mass., and resided there until 1836 when he emigrated to Illinois with his family of seven children and steeled in Bureau county, 2 1/2 miles north of Princeton for about 11 years when he moved into Princeton and resumed shoemaking. In 1856 he sold his property in Princeton and with his son, W. P. Smith, moved to New Bedford and became a shoemaker and his son a harnessmaker. In 1865 he returned to Princton until the death of his wife, February 1881. He was a member of the Congregational church 40 years in Princeton." This is Rebecca's obituary: "Mrs. Rebecca Smith died in Princeton on Wed, February ?, 1881, of cancer. She was the wife of Noahdiah Smith, aged 78 years, 9 months, 8 days. She was born in Renssalaerville, Schoharie County, New York in 1802. Her maiden name was Patten. She maried Mr. Smith in 1822, came to Illinois in 1839 to Princeton and joined the Congregational church. Funeral Friday February 18th." More about them when I find it. Ray Don: See 1850 Cenusus attachment for Noahdiah Smith's Family. Ray 1850 Noahdiah Smith 67 M Rebecca Smith 47 F Chester Smith 22 M Warren P. Smith 18 M Clarissa C. Smith 16 F Maria E. Smith 14 F Mary Smith 10 F Calista Smith 6 F Caroline R. Smith 5 F Anne M Kirby 3 F Don: Sarah Catlin daughter of John Catlin and Jemimah Allen Born: 25 April 1738 Amherst, Massachusetts. Married : 16 April 1761 in Deerfield, Massachusetts. Death lists as 31 Oct 1826; however, I would like to find another source for this date. Have info on her parents somewhere. Ray Don Hannah Childs Born: 8 July 1710, Died 12 May 1781, Married 30 Nov 1732 Parents: Samuel Childs and Hannah Bernard Ray Don Ichabod Smith - Birth:11 Apr 1675, Death:6 Sep 1746, Marriage:19 Jul 1698 Elizabeth Cook Birth:9 Jan 1677, Death: 10 Oct 1751 Daughter of Aaron Cook and Sarah Westwood Ray Don Rebecca Foote daughter of Nathaniel Foote Ray Don Use this date for the ones I questioned and any other disagreements: From the Journal of Eli Smith Jr sometime after 1900.. It was sent to me by Jeff Thorne. Samuel Smith: sailed in the "Elizabeth" from Ipswich, England to New England, April 20, 1634; he at once became a leading man in the settlements; as lieut., was in charge of military affairs until 1678, when he retired to be succeeded by his son, Philip; died about 1680, age about 78. Philip, son of Samuel, born 1633; lieut., rep. justice of the Co. Court; died Jan. 10, 1685, age 52. "Murdered with an hideous witchcraft," says Cotton Mather. Married Rebecca, daughter of Nathan'l Foote. Ichabod, son of Philip, born 1675, lived at Hadley. Died Sept. 8, 1746. Married July 9, 1698, Elizabeth, daughter of Aaron Cook. She died October 10, 1751; age 73. Moses, son of Ichabod, born 1706. Settled in Amherst. Died May 13, 1781. Age 75. Married Nov. 30, 1732, Hannah, daughter of Samuel Childs. She died January 26, 1778. Age 67. Moses, son of Moses (1), born 1733; wheelwright; settled in Dfd; rem. to Shelburns, 1776; Died October 27, 1781. Age 48. Married, April 16, 1761, Sarah, daughter of John Catlin. She died October 31, 1826; aged 88. Chester, son of Moses (2), born 1771; shoemaker; Dfd., Shelburne and Conway. Died March 13, 1812; age 41. Married December 15, 1796, Anna, daughter of Enoch Jewett; She died November 3, 1880. Children: 1. Noadiah, born Dec. 13, 1799. Died 1884. 2. Allen, born ___; shoemaker, Married Eunice ____, who died Jan. 7, 1829, age 25. He was drowned in Dfd. river. 3. Elijah, born 1806, died 1882. He married Sylvia, daughter of David W. Childs, march 31, 1831. 4. Eli, born Nov. 15, 1804; died Aug. 30, 1871, age 67. Married Clarissa Childs, March 31, 1831 (SEE PAGE 4) 5. Almira, born ___, Married Feb. 19, 1832, Stephen S. Knapp. died ____. 6. Louisa, born ___, Married Jan. 21, 1833, Elijah A. Graves of Whateley. 7. Ann, born 1812. Married Nov. 20, 1830, Ariel Hinsdale. 8. Walter, _____ Dfd. 1829. The story told by Jennette Taylor (died at age 93 or so last year): the "Smith Brothers married the Childs Sisters", Buda, Illinois. Noahdiah's brothers. Don Smith Dear Ray: I found an interested web site of Smith family. Can find no copyright. Will put on London Menu. Link: http://genealogytrails.com/ill/bureau/Villages/SmithFamily.html Regards, Don Smith Eli was Jeff Thorne's ancestor. He is a retried Car Dealership owner from the Quad city area of Iowa/Illinois. He is in possession of the original. He helped quite a bit with tracing our Smith line. I have lost contact with him over the years. He is a decent man and worth knowing. Funny too. I don't think he has a complete set of Clarissa C(hilds) Smith's ancestry. Perhaps you could give it to him. I will try to find hisw last known e-mail address. Ray Don Smith Dear Ray: You wrote, "The story told by Jennette Taylor (died at age 93 or so last year): the 'Smith Brothers married the Childs Sisters', Buda, Illinois. Noahdiah's brothers'. Where can I get more info on this? Is this from a book? Is it on the internet? Please let me know in order that I may do a bit more research. Regards, Don Smith Came from Jennette. I will get you the full story. Ray Don Smith Dear Ray: Here is Azariah Lathrop listed as LOTHROP= DAR Patriot Index: LOTHROP, AZARIAH Ancestor #: A071669 married to MERCY BENNETT Service: CONNECTICUT Rank: PRIVATE Birth: 21 Aug 1754 CONNECTICUT Service Description: (1) CAPT BELCHER'S CO OF PRESTON (2) NEW LONDON CO Regards, Don Smith Yes, that is the correct Azariah Lothrop. There were two. I think the other is buried in New London, Connecticut Cemetery. Azariah was POW. I found him listed on one of the prison ships and I believe he was in the exodus from New York to Connecticut when the British took it. Give me awhile and I will find the reference. Huntington's book "Lo-Lathrop Memoirs" lists his death place as "Chittenango Ripps"; however, there is no such place. There is a "Chittenango Rifts" in Bridgeport, New York. I believe he is buried there. I have found two references to "Chittenango Rifts". Again, I will dig them out for you. Ray Sources of Chittenango Rifts attached. Ray The History of the Cornell University Biological Field Station JoAnne G. Getchonis Edward L. Mills 2006 The modern day Cornell University Biological Field Station is often associated with Bridgeport, NY and Shackelton Point. Settled around 1802, Bridgeport was originally called Chittenango Rifts or Rapids (Hammond, 1872) due to the presence of a quickly flowing and large stream named Chittenango Creek. Initially vast wilderness, the fertile soils of Bridgeport of the mid-1800’s lent themselves to productive farming that included crops like hay, buckwheat, Indian corn, oats, some rye, spring and winter wheat and tobacco (Smith, 1880). Bridgeport was a typical small New York town at this time that used water from Chittenango Creek to run wheels to process these and other crops. There was a grist mill, saw mill, carding mill for wool, and a stave mill (for barrels). Early postcard showing bridge across Chittenango Creek Shackelton Point was a beautiful land feature overlooking the Oneida Lake landscape, originally occupied by the late Oneida Indian Reservation. Settled by Gideon Owen and first called Owens Point, it was later purchased by Charles Shackelton. Charles was a farmer, and had ties to Oneida Lake as he was a fishing guide and state game protector. Manlius, Illinois named for Manlius, New York. Azariah Lothrop mentioned here. Ray 25 May 2008 Dear Ray: You mentioned. "Manlius, Illinois named for Manlius, New York. Azariah Lothrop mentioned here." You're right. Azariah Lathrop was at one time in Onondaga County, New York where the town of Manlius is located. His son, Azariah Allen Lathrop was also in Manlius, Onondaga County, New York. His son, Allen Smith Lathrop, according to where his children were born BOTH in Manlius, Onondaga, New York and Manlius, Bureau County, Illinois. How incredible! Look at two sons of Allen Smith Lathrop: 1. Charles Wesley Lathrop b: 13 JAN 1831 in Manlius, Onondaga, New York 2. Nathan A. Lathrop b: 8 APR 1839 in Manlius, Bureau, Illinois I did a measurement from the Manlius, New York to Manlius, Illinois and the distance is 572 miles. Of course, in the America of the 1830s, movement must have been by wagon and, allowing for the different terrain, mileage must have been greater than 572 miles. If I recall correctly, in those times the daily mileage was something like 20 miles per day, making it a long, hard trip of 30 days more or less. Have a pleasant Sunday, with regards, Don Smith Dear Ray: I've been working on Allen Smith Lathrop today. This man had 18 children and at least four of them fought in the Civil War. An amazing man. Sons of Allen Smith Lathrop from Bureau County, Illinois in the Civil War: 1. LATHROP, CHARLES W PVT F 151 IL US INF MANLIUS, BUREAU CO, IL (Birth:13 JAN 1831) 2. LATHROP, NATHAN A PVT C 93 IL US INF MANLIUS, BUREAU CO, IL (Birth: 8 APR 1839) 3. LATHROP, PARKER N PVT H 146 IL US INF MANLIUS, BUREAU CO, IL (Birth: 13 JAN 1831) 4. LATHROP, RUFUS A CPL F 151 IL US INF MANLIUS, BUREAU CO, IL (Birth: 18 Jul 1834) Looks like Rufus and Charles both served together in the 151st Illinois Infantry Regiment. Also named was: LATHROP, AZARIAH A PVT F 146 IL US INF NEW BEDFORD, BUREAU CO, IL Allen Smith Lathrop had a son named Isaniah Lathrop b: 1842. This might be him. It's possible that his name really was Azariah and not Isaniah. The township of Manlius was not organized until 1854. Up to that time it was a part of Greenville. The first settler was Sylvester Barber, who went there in 1847 and built on section 5. Near him Mr. D. Hill commenced a farm and in 1848 Allen Lathrop settled on section 9. This property is on the road that passes by the present town of Manlius and was afterward the home of Harrison Hays who will long be remembered from his eccentric ways. In 1850 W. N. Hewitt, Dr. Moore and Townsend Fletcher settled on Sections 14 and 36, the latter being near Hickory Grove. In 1851 Thomas Rinehart, Henry Hooper, Jacob Seibel, Jesse Cain and Thomas Hope moved into the township and about this time the town of Truxton was platted with streets and alleys and blocks and lots were numbered, but it proved to be only a paper city. URLs: Manlius, Onondaga County, NY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius_%28town%29%2C_New_York Manlius, Allegan County, MI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius_Township%2C_Michigan Manlius, La Salle County, IL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius_Township%2C_ LaSalle_County%2C_Illinois Manlius, Bureau County, IL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius%2C_Illinois Main URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manlius Regards, Don Smith Dear Ray: I hope that this email reaches you and you are not in the middle of your move to the USA. I have added the following elements to the London Menu. Click here to access the London Menu: 1) Added the "London - Foote Genealogy Connection" to the London Menu. The Foote connection is the marriage of Rebecca Foote to Philip Smith. Her father, Nathaniel Foote, is/was a well known early settler in the New World. 2) Added the Foote connection to the "London Overview And Family Tree, View #3". 3) Your Aunt Betty sent me some old photos of Elmer, Myrtle, etc and they're now located at the "Photos of the Smith/London Family". 4) Have added your mom's Social Security Death Index to the "London Death Notices". 5) Have added all the above to the London.Pdf. 6) All the above have been uploaded to the website. I talked to your Aunt Betty today. This week or next I'll be having printed the London Genealogy Book from the London PDF document file. I'll include enough CD's so that she may pass them out to her children. Ray, please let me what's up. Are you here in the USA? Regards, Don Planning to move at the end of August or in September. Our home in the UK has been sold since November last year, just before the credit crunch. It will hit here very hard in the next year for all of the same reasons it did in the US. I have picked Central Virginia to live. A safe place to raise the kids and right where we need to be for a lot of our genealogy research. I have taken on a job with a German company working a Pipeline. Long hours but pays well. That way I will not need to spend any of my house proceeds. We plan on building our own home. I have been looking at lots and acreages. I am able to e-mail you as I have moblie internet since last week. Ray |
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